Bullet pretty much completely blows up. The 243 is a step away from varmint and towards deer. Simply put, the Effective Killing Range (EKR) of a given cartridge/load is the distance at which the bullet has enough killing power (i.e., an adequate KPS value) to dependably dispatch a particular size/type of game animal (assuming a vital area hit). Therefore, KPS numbers generated from different data inputs (E, SD, or A) are directly comparable. 22-250 is a 24" Mauser 1893 with a heavy stock and 3-9x40 243 is a break action NEF with a cheap scope. lbs.). To the degree this is true we credit the little rimmed cartridge’s mild muzzle velocity. Hard to beat the handling of a 30/30 lever in the woods though. When macho hunters with their new 300 magnums finish missing their third deer due to flinching, they borrow the 243 … The speed and power of the .308 make … for 100 grain bullets. I've taken deer and elk with it, and the occasional cayote. I do shoot the 75gr V-Max in one 243 and that thing is very accurate and hit's like a bomb! is an outstanding caliber and for the gear head that I am the 243 WSSM is just as outstanding. The 6mm bore diameter has long been relied upon for double duty, serving the deer hunter and varmint/predator hunter equally well. I can't help with a comparison, because a .243 is the only cartridge I've ever used to shoot deer, and my sample size may or may not need 2 hands to count. Like its early competing calibers, the .243 Winchester was originally offered in two bullet weights: 80 grainers were primarily for varmints and 100-grain soft points were for deer. Compare the power vs body weight of the target animal, and the 243 is side by side or ahead. If I were to use a 243 deer hunting again I'd lean toward the 87gr Hornady Interlock, just for the h*ll of it! The key result of this analysis is that the effective killing range of the .243 load above is 180 yards. It’s higher energy makes this caliber viable at long range, and more devastating up close. Whenever any of these variables change, the KPS number changes proportionally. Thus, the 100 yard KPS of this load is: This is merely an example, as KPS can be calculated for any range. From the trajectory table, I recorded muzzle energy and the remaining energy at 100 yards and other relevant distances, including the MPBR of the load. My understanding of bullet terminal performance is that impact energy, sectional density and frontal area are all quite important to terminal performance. First, I used the point blank range calculator at www.shooterscalculator.com to calculate a +/- 3 inch MPBR for the load. It shoots 1-inch groups at 100 yards, with about any 100-grain bullet. Ammo is very available. Register Log In Home Forums Deer Hunting deer with a .243 vs. 30-06: Forums User List Calendar Active Threads Forum Help: Previous Thread: Next Thread : … (22 inch bbl. 243- good round for deer. It also doubles as a good young deer hunter's cartridge and both of mine have been used by grand-kids to take deer out to 200 yards. Do not watch if you do not like hunting.The .223 round proves lethal when fired accurately. I know the .243 kills deer, but do they normally run farther when hit with a .243 vs. a larger caliber? -Editor). The second index is the Guns and Shooting Online Rifle Cartridge Killing Power Formula, which calculates the killing power of hunting loads using downrange impact energy, bullet sectional density and frontal area as the input variables. If you are only going to use it for deer hunting in forested or brushy areas where you won't be shooting over 150yds or so, get whichever is more comfortable for you. Most deer are DRT and the furthest any have travelled was 25 yards. However, for milder cartridges, such as the .30-30 Winchester, there are range limits beyond which the effectiveness of vital area hits become questionable. "Celebrities walk on the red carpet because they're famous, I walk on toilet paper because I'm the ****....". Basically, the .308 Winchester round is simply a civilian version of the 7.62x51mm NATO round, which was originally developed for the M14 rifle. .243 hands down is the better choice. It’s no secret that the 6mm cartridges have a huge following; after all, they’re just about the best at doing double-duty on deer-sized game and varmints/predators. .270 vs .243 I noticed that the XP and cash for kills using the .270 are lower than the .243. Even though the cartridges share the same roots, there is a pretty big difference in the ballistics of each cartridge that reflects the different priorities wildcatters had when designing the .243 and 7mm-08. The .243 is a fine deer caliber but a .308 would be a much better choice for the survivalist. / ME 2060 ft. lbs. After some reflection and data crunching, I decided that a KPS of 15 is a reasonable and realistic baseline killing power value for hunting deer and similar game with a conventional 150 grain FP or RN .30-30 load. It doesn’t get much press, but it has one undeniable strength—it just works. I chose the Federal Vital-Shok load with 100 grain JSP bullet to develop the ballistics analysis of these common .243 loads, which are all essentially the same. loads fall short of their MPBR values. We shoot 95 grain Hornady SST in factory superformance ammo. A KPS can be calculated for any range, a capability that is important in ways that I will demonstrate. I know a couple of guys who quit shooting a 243 because of losing a few deer. Do not watch if you do not like hunting.The .223 round proves lethal when fired accurately. I know the .243 kills deer, but do they normally run farther when hit with a .243 vs. a larger caliber? The resulting MPBR (280 yards in this case) gives me an unambiguous measure of the practical range of the load. (The explanation of the indices is abbreviated here, but is more fully discussed in the Appendix, below.). See The G&S Online Rifle Cartridge Killing Power Formula: Implications and Applications and Determining the Effective Killing Range of Rifle Cartridges for fuller discussion of the killing power formula and effective killing range concepts. .243 Win: Federal 100 gr. That being said, the only reason I would consider adding one to my arsenal would be as a youth model hunting rifle for childern. The .243 has become a favorite of hunters who want to shoot varmints, predators and deer size game with the same rifle. The main limitation being the .243 bore size restricts the maximum weight of hunting bullets to about 105 grains. Recoil energy is low, about 10 ft. lbs. lbs., BC .384. https://ssaa.org.au/.../hunting/hunting-with-a-.243-6mm-.240 Though I dote on the .243 I'll add a couple minor thoughts about the Roberts here. The .308 Winchester is the most popular centerfire rifle round in use by hunters today, thanks to its moderate recoil, excellent ballistics, and versatility when it comes to bringing down big game. lbs.) The Hornady H.I.T.S. IMO the 243 is a nice round, Got it for my kids to hunt deer and then I got rid of it I think max bullet weight was 90 gr. was designed as both a light deer rifle and a varmint cartridge—it can hold its own against high-velocity .22-calibers but still provide enough oomph to take down larger animals. / ME 2162 ft. in. hey people how does a .243 work with deer (when i say deer i mean big bucks). Monday morning out at the Range I was doing my final work up for my Deer Hunting load in my .243 AI. This is a standard 100 grain .243 Winchester factory load at a MV of 2960 f.p.s. / ME 1894 ft. Deer Hunting with 22-250 Cartridge A Field Test. (SD is the ratio of a bullet's weight in pounds to the square of its diameter in inches.). It has also become almost the standard long range deer and antelope cartridge for beginning hunters. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. pete7469 - I have no use for people who "think" my rights to a gun are trumped by their irrational fear. I realize that setting a KPS of 15 as a baseline power standard for the .30-30 load is a judgment call, but I am comfortable with it. E = KPS / (SD x A) = 15.0 / .0112 = 1339 (ft. While there is overlap, there are areas where one cartridge is going to be better suited than the other. This hot load achieves an EKR of 275 yards, only 25 yards short of its 300 yard MPBR. The .243 is actually just a necked down .308, but .308 ammo is more common and comes in a much wider variety of bullet weights and styles. For a cartridge comparison such as the .243 vs .308, potential users want to see which has a flatter trajectory, meaning it shows less bullet drop. What would be everyone's go to caliber for deer and coyotes? Is that by design? The .243 is a lot more versatile as far as range and bullet types and weights available. ), SD .226, A = .0745 sq. score. I know both are quite capable for deer and black bears. This was 1346 ft. lbs. The.243 is actually just a necked down.308, but.308 ammo is more common and comes in a much wider variety of bullet weights and styles. Before we look at specific ranges with the short and long-range trajectory, we want to step back and just look at two rounds, one from each cartridge type, that are similar in bullet weight, BC, and bullet design. It's amazing to me someone will recommend the 7mm mauser for elk/moose and not a 243 for deer. To me the mistake made with them is people tend to give them to kids and new hunters because the recoil is mild and most of those hunters don't have much in the way of shooting skills. The 175 yard KPS of this load calculates as 15.0, and I dubbed the 175 yard point the "Effective Killing Range" (EKR) for the load. Should i just use the .243 because i am mostly just killing deer / pigs? The 243 Win. The .243 is a fine deer caliber but a .308 would be a much better choice for the survivalist. Today, the .308 Winchester round is enormously popular throughout the world and rifles chambered for it can also chamber and fire the 7.62x51mm, but not the other way around. Not sure for handloading, but in factory loads, the .243 has better performance in deer bullets than the .257 according to both winchester and remingtons sites John, and is considerably flatter shooting over longer distances. Just wanted to know some other experiences with this, thanks. This load produces 1232 ft. lbs. SST, MV 3125 f.p.s. Snapchat: buckcrek567Instagram: buckcreek567 Something else enlightening is retained energy downrange. This is a .243 Ruger M77 with a tang safety, red recoil pad, and a Redfield 3x9. Bullet velocity is not neglected, because velocity is the most important factor in calculating kinetic energy. Got two of them and getting ready to obtain the other. how does the .243 work as a survival rifle? In other words, its effectiveness is limited by its remaining killing power, not its MPBR. < > Showing 1-15 of 25 comments . Something else enlightening is retained energy downrange. At 400 yards the puny, ineffective 243 is still packing more punch (1,077 f-p) than the 30-30 at 150-yards, what many consider “dead deer” distance for the famous 30-30. So as for those two options, I would recommend the .243. (KPS = 15.0), Effective Killing Range (EKR) = 175 yds. E-Tip BT, MV 3140 f.p.s. With the deer around here, and at the ranges I'll be hunting, I've got no qualms hunting with a .243. This falls well short of both the +/- 3 inch MPBR (280 yards) and zero distance (240 yards) of the load. at a range of 180 yards. And the latest cartridge to push this 6mm bullet does the job quite well. Forget about loads with bullets lighter than 90 grains, for they do not generate useful downrange killing … I experimented with calculating HITS values for other ranges and impact velocities for several cartridge loads, but quickly discovered that the resulting scores followed an erratic pattern and in some cases did not make sense. Caution: Contains a kill shot on a deer. Buy the youth model - will fit most women. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, o A deer shot through the lungs with either of these light bullets isn’t going to shake it off and walk home for dinner. JSP, MV 2920 f.p.s. The 6mm bore diameter has long been relied upon for double duty, serving the deer hunter and varmint/predator hunter equally well. For record deer, particularly at longer distances, elk, and bear of any size, I'd go up to a 7mm-08 or even larger. Its all about shot placement so if you are paitient and diligent it will do fine. I realize this is a bold statement, so I will analyze several commercial loads to support it. (KPS = 15.0), Effective Killing Range (EKR) = 275 yds. Sort of likr the old Hornady SX bullet's. I use my .243 Savage Axis this afternoon and shoot a doe. Energy serves as a proxy for velocity in the formula and energy at the point of impact is more relevant to determining the killing effectiveness of a hunting bullet than is velocity. For instance, the most common 100 grain factory loads claim a muzzle velocity of 2960 f.p.s. .270 vs .243 I noticed that the XP and cash for kills using the .270 are lower than the .243. after taking about 20 deer with a 243, and seeing others use them i unscrewed the barrel from my winchester and put a .308 barrel on it. Caution: Contains a kill shot on a deer. that said ive never lost one. < > Showing 1-15 of 25 comments . Using deer and similar size game as an example, some popular cartridges, such as the .270 Winchester and .308 Winchester, are so powerful that there is no question that they will dependably fell Class 2 game out to their MPBR range or beyond. .243 Win: Hornady 95 gr. We would recommend this store to suit your needs. (22 inch bbl.) For a given load, the formula is: KPS at y yards = (Impact Energy at y yards) x (sectional density x frontal area), or simply: The 100 yard KPS of this load is 1571 x .0112 = 17.6. I find it very interesting. At 150 yards the 95-grain .243 bullet is hauling 522 f-p more energy than the much heavier 30-30 slug. I've only killed 30 deer or so, with everything from a stick with a razor to a 12 ga slug. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .243 Winchester vs .300 AAC Blackout ammo rounds. Deer drop in their tracks. They’re easy on the shoulder, allowing the shooter to accurately place his or her shots, yet have enough horsepower to dump a deer in its tracks. from a 24 inch barrel. (22 inch bbl.) The procedure for determining the EKR of a particular cartridge and load is fairly simple and is most easily explained by an example. Almost every sporting rifle manufacturer will make 243 variants. However, this rifle caliber doesn't just stop there. Is that by design? Not to say they wouldn't have missed the same deer with 50 cals, but I personally shoot a .308 and it is awesome. I will take a well placed shot over knock down every single time. The reasons for the enduring popularity of the .243 are well summarized by Chuck Hawks in his article The .243 Winchester: "The .243 Win. Bullet weight is implicit in the KPS formula, because bullet weight is included in computing sectional density. The .243 was developed in 1955 as a dual purpose varmint-deer cartridge. A pessimist is on who complains about the situation. then went to a lever action 30/30. Thus, this load has the power to be effective on deer and other Class 2 game, according to the HITS score. (Chuck Hawks, originator of the G&S Online Rifle Cartridge Killing Power Formula, used the somewhat more liberal score of 12.5 as the practical minimum for hunting Class 2 game. -Editor) I felt that I could also use that KPS value to determine EKRs of other cartridges and loads, provided that the quarry is deer or similar sized game. For a long time, all the knowledge I had on these rounds was theoretical. The KPS formula makes a lot of sense to me. #2 • Nov 29, 2008 The.243 is a fine deer caliber but a.308 would be a much better choice for the survivalist. 243 is excellent for deer as well as 22-250 and 223. What are the pluses and minuses of 243 VS 7mm 08 as far as a rifle mainly used for deer and black bears and occasional pest coyotes? Ultimately, this means that the Effective Killing Range (EKR) of the .243 Winchester on deer sized game is less than its maximum point blank range (MPBR). I also own .270 and took allot of deer with it 150 gr?. For instance, between 100 and 175 yards, the energy of the 150 grain .30-30 bullet decreases by 27.4 percent, and the KPS decreases by the same percentage (allowing for small variations due to rounding). This capability is important in ways I will demonstrate. You can set the point blank range out to 265 yards and 300 yards is an easy shot. The .243 Winchester cartridge somewhat compensates for the bullet weight limitation by driving its bullets at high velocity. Now don't get me wrong some can handle recoil fine but many have to much gun for there shooting experience. .243 Win: Nosler 90 gr. It would be hard to imagine what other applications this .243 can be used for. I cannot imagine why anyone says a .243 and a 30 30 are on an even playing field. Swft Scirocco II, MV 3120 f.p.s. When comparing the .243 vs the .270, we are looking at two well-known and popular rounds that overlap in their shooting applications. 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